gleki [8:18 AM]
{PA moi} is an ordinary predicate once you don't parse the inside of it.
a special sumti place for what? for the number?
one can just convert all {moi} in the corpus into {momkai}
roman [9:52 AM]
Yea that was my original solution just have a pamoi predicate but that's harder for the AI to learn. And yes that special sumti place is for the number didn't want it to interfere with the normal places.
replacing "moi" with "momkai" would also be a good solution but not all words of class MOI have such an predicate so i'll still need the generic solution. But i have noted it down.
gleki [11:54 AM]
how do you parse "32nd" in English? nohow? The grammar of English is much harder than that of Lojban since English is mostly based on collocations whereas in Lojban "collocations" rarely go beyond single words.
which do not have pure predicate forms? {va'e}? use {jei} or {sela'u}/{klani}
{cu'o}? i'd rather try to understand {cunso}
roman [11:57 AM]
what about "si'e"?
should i just add an extra place to gunma?
gleki [11:58 AM]
for {si'e} i would first try to understand what "portion" actually means? that one needs exactly N other portions of the same sze to get the full object B?
you may create as many new predicate words as you wish. although this doesn't eliminate the necessity to convert to
- other natlangs that do not have such predicates or have vague ones
- convert to commands to robots
roman [12:00 PM]
well that part i am not concerned about for now. I just want to keep the number of constructs down and reuse predicates where possible.
gleki [12:05 PM]
in jbo2jbo dictionary someone defines si'e:
https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/jbo/#sisku/si%27e
.i x1 pagbu x2 ije le namcu cu frinu le se klani be x1 le se klani be x2
That is the "A is the Nth portion of B" means "N is a fraction equal to the number of units of B divided by the number of units of A." and i'd add that both numerator and demonator use the same scale (klani3)"
Notice that in natlangs sometimes B is a single object like one's birthday cake. Sometimes it's a a flock of sheep. and A is e.g. one sheep.
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gleki [8:18 AM]
{PA moi} is an ordinary predicate once you don't parse the inside of it.
a special sumti place for what? for the number?
one can just convert all {moi} in the corpus into {momkai}
roman [9:52 AM]
Yea that was my original solution just have a pamoi predicate but that's harder for the AI to learn. And yes that special sumti place is for the number didn't want it to interfere with the normal places.
replacing "moi" with "momkai" would also be a good solution but not all words of class MOI have such an predicate so i'll still need the generic solution. But i have noted it down.
gleki [11:54 AM]
how do you parse "32nd" in English? nohow? The grammar of English is much harder than that of Lojban since English is mostly based on collocations whereas in Lojban "collocations" rarely go beyond single words.
which do not have pure predicate forms? {va'e}? use {jei} or {sela'u}/{klani}
{cu'o}? i'd rather try to understand {cunso}
roman [11:57 AM]
what about "si'e"?
should i just add an extra place to gunma?
gleki [11:58 AM]
for {si'e} i would first try to understand what "portion" actually means? that one needs exactly N other portions of the same sze to get the full object B?
you may create as many new predicate words as you wish. although this doesn't eliminate the necessity to convert to
roman [12:00 PM]
well that part i am not concerned about for now. I just want to keep the number of constructs down and reuse predicates where possible.
gleki [12:05 PM]
in jbo2jbo dictionary someone defines si'e:
https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/jbo/#sisku/si%27e
.i x1 pagbu x2 ije le namcu cu frinu le se klani be x1 le se klani be x2
That is the "A is the Nth portion of B" means "N is a fraction equal to the number of units of B divided by the number of units of A." and i'd add that both numerator and demonator use the same scale (klani3)"
Notice that in natlangs sometimes B is a single object like one's birthday cake. Sometimes it's a a flock of sheep. and A is e.g. one sheep.
la sutysisku
La Sutysisku
lo vlaste pe la lojban je lo glibau je lo drata bangu je poi ka'e pilno fau lo nu na kibro jorne