Mod source
Factorio Mod Portal
Operating system
=Windows 10
What kind of issue is this?
What is the problem?
Im playing full py.
So I started testing LFR panels as a new powerplant option. According to py codex I need 46.2 panels per plant. I went with a nice round 48. I went for 3 plants at the same time to max out one H-P steam turbine MK02. 3 plants are ~25% too much so each works only about 80% of the time so they should (i assume) draw about 80% of the heat compared to running full time so 48 seams like a total overkill.
But when I connected everything toghether (3 power plants and 144 panels) after letting it heat up for a few days it just didnt had enough heat capacity to hold trough the night. Each night it was getting closer and closer to 2k until it stopped working.
I started adding more panels and filled them with salt (~80%) and linked into a system and it just didnt do anything to the result.
I noticed that during the day, even when plants where turned off it started heating but stopped at around 2.04k I got this number consistently so I assumed this is max panels could get... untill I disconnected one part of the system which quickly started jumping in temperature without any limit seemingly.
So I deleted everything and started fresh with new setup:
I started with 3 rows of 48 panels each row connected to only one power plant working about 80% of the time. Rows where filled to either ~80%, 40% 20% 10% of salt in various scenarios. In each scenario 48 panels are not able to keep up with powerplant working at 80% capacity. Salt capacity affect only how many days it will take to reach 2k after starting with 2.5k
I now have 5 rows of 48 panels. connected to 3 plants. Entire system is filled to about 30% with (my other testing showed me sweet spot is somewhere between 20 and 40%). Im in various configuration joining toghether the rows so they act as one big system or splitting them appart so each act separatly.
Each plant works ~80% of the time (there may be fluctuactions due to ordering of fluid mechanics computation when pumping steam out from the system (its being consumed by turbine on the other side of the pump in isolated power system with a fixed power draw of 100% so it works full time)
If I connect all 5 rows toghether they are unable to reach temperature higher than 2.04k even without any draw.
If I split the conections so that top 3 rows are powering one plant and bottom 2 are powering the other 2 they start working correctly - as in they get higher temperature during the day. as expected the top 3-row segment that is powering only one plant get much higher each day and the bottom one hoover closer to 2k but are rising slowly each day so they acan keep up with the draw too.
Now when I separate the bottom 2 rows so each is supplying only one power plant it should in my head act the same. I have the same amount of heat mass powering plants that draw the same amount but split in half. Thats not what happens. When I separate them each row of 48 is not able to keep up again with their single plant, but connected together they do with 2 plant drawing heat????
I assume LFR worked completely differently internally under 1.1 fluids and migration to 2.0 fluids threw something off in here?
Not only values shown in codex are not able to keep with with single machine even when huge safety margin is used but the act of joining few system helps in some cases but break stuff in other?
I also had very sporadic case I was not able to reproduce but it happened twice where temperature drooped during the night to 1.99k and refused to rise again during the day even without draw until I deconstructed everything and rebuilt it.
Steps to reproduce
explained above
Additional context
Log file
No response
Mod source
Factorio Mod Portal
Operating system
What kind of issue is this?
What is the problem?
Im playing full py.
So I started testing LFR panels as a new powerplant option. According to py codex I need 46.2 panels per plant. I went with a nice round 48. I went for 3 plants at the same time to max out one H-P steam turbine MK02. 3 plants are ~25% too much so each works only about 80% of the time so they should (i assume) draw about 80% of the heat compared to running full time so 48 seams like a total overkill.
But when I connected everything toghether (3 power plants and 144 panels) after letting it heat up for a few days it just didnt had enough heat capacity to hold trough the night. Each night it was getting closer and closer to 2k until it stopped working.
I started adding more panels and filled them with salt (~80%) and linked into a system and it just didnt do anything to the result.
I noticed that during the day, even when plants where turned off it started heating but stopped at around 2.04k I got this number consistently so I assumed this is max panels could get... untill I disconnected one part of the system which quickly started jumping in temperature without any limit seemingly.
So I deleted everything and started fresh with new setup:
I started with 3 rows of 48 panels each row connected to only one power plant working about 80% of the time. Rows where filled to either ~80%, 40% 20% 10% of salt in various scenarios. In each scenario 48 panels are not able to keep up with powerplant working at 80% capacity. Salt capacity affect only how many days it will take to reach 2k after starting with 2.5k
I now have 5 rows of 48 panels. connected to 3 plants. Entire system is filled to about 30% with (my other testing showed me sweet spot is somewhere between 20 and 40%). Im in various configuration joining toghether the rows so they act as one big system or splitting them appart so each act separatly.
Each plant works ~80% of the time (there may be fluctuactions due to ordering of fluid mechanics computation when pumping steam out from the system (its being consumed by turbine on the other side of the pump in isolated power system with a fixed power draw of 100% so it works full time)
If I connect all 5 rows toghether they are unable to reach temperature higher than 2.04k even without any draw.
If I split the conections so that top 3 rows are powering one plant and bottom 2 are powering the other 2 they start working correctly - as in they get higher temperature during the day. as expected the top 3-row segment that is powering only one plant get much higher each day and the bottom one hoover closer to 2k but are rising slowly each day so they acan keep up with the draw too.
Now when I separate the bottom 2 rows so each is supplying only one power plant it should in my head act the same. I have the same amount of heat mass powering plants that draw the same amount but split in half. Thats not what happens. When I separate them each row of 48 is not able to keep up again with their single plant, but connected together they do with 2 plant drawing heat????
I assume LFR worked completely differently internally under 1.1 fluids and migration to 2.0 fluids threw something off in here?
Not only values shown in codex are not able to keep with with single machine even when huge safety margin is used but the act of joining few system helps in some cases but break stuff in other?
I also had very sporadic case I was not able to reproduce but it happened twice where temperature drooped during the night to 1.99k and refused to rise again during the day even without draw until I deconstructed everything and rebuilt it.
Steps to reproduce
explained above
Additional context
Log file
No response